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Old 12-08-2007, 03:18 PM
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Default Is there a relationship between free will and the tree of good and evil in the

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Seed; there is actually a scripture that supports your comment:

1Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Abigal; Thank you! At last someone said the truth plainly. If we follow the Creator God we are slaves to Him, if we do not we are slaves to sin and Satan! There is no free will, we are slaves to either one or the other>
CMW, Abigal did say "give" yes, that is technically correct. Please see Hope's answer to one of the other free will questions. BTW: I don't think I have given you any thumbs down on this subject.....yet. If I did I wouldn't be able to see your additiional comments, which I am enjoying, believe it or not. However, some sections of scripture for you to consider: Isaiah 6:9-10
Matthew 13:13-15
God is not allowing these people to come to the truth.
Romans 11:7; 2Corinthians 3:14; 2 Corinthians 4:4
If God has blinded someone then they have no free will to make up their own minds.
Isaiah 29:16; 64:8; Jeremiah 18:4-6; Romans 9:21 Each and every one of us is made for a purpose by God. Judas's (sp?) betrayal of Christ was something foretold, Jonah did not want to do what God wanted, Christ was predestined before the foundation of this age, Showing that God had surrendered the world to Satan's influence, Christ is our ransom for us to stop doing Satan's will.
CMW: Hope, in her answer to the other free will question was absoutely right when she said that nothing involved in our salvation has anything to do with us. God calls us, opens our minds, draws us to Christ, brings us into obedience of His Torah, gives us the hope and faith that justifies us, and give us eternal life as a GIFT. If it is something that we chose by our "free will", then it is not a gift. Just what do we bring to the table? A sinful nature that, for all our lives had been subject to the evil, sinful desires that come from Satan. God cleans us of all of that.
This a real trap that all of us who sincerely believe that God's Torah instructions are binding on all mankind, that we have somehow, thru our own free will, chosen to obey God. We have not, God has chosen us to obey Him. Abigal, again, totally hit the nail on the head, we were slaves to Satan and now we are bondservants (still slaves) to the Almighty. We had no free will before, and none after.
DC; God did not step in and stop it because, as far as I can tell, Adam was the only man created with free will, and even then it was limited (You shall not eat of the tree of good and evil). After that rebellious act of free will, God bound mankind over to the rule of Satan and we have been doing Satan's will (rebelling against God) ever since.
Hope's answer: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AhnmdPgviDDMuuQZ6bV49hfsy6IX;_ylv=3?qid =20071206093026AAFkIMQ
Seed: Sorry I left that word "knowldege" out, should know better.
Ernst, my new-found friend, please read Ephesians 2, especially verses 4-10.

And yes, if we are slaves to Christ we have no will of our own, but He is going to work His will in us.


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If the was no free will , why did God not step in and stop it ?
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