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Old 11-23-2007, 02:27 AM
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Default Christians - what is your response to this quranic verse? (Garden of eden)?

Christians, what do you have to say about this belief found in the quran of islaam?
In Quran, the story of Adam and Eve is mentioned. But there is not a single verse in the Quran which puts the blame only on Eve pbuh. If you read the Quran 7:19-27, it says both of them disobeys Almighty God. Both of them repented and both of them was forgiven. The blame is put equally on both. There is not a single verse in the Quran which puts the blame only on Eve pbuh. But there is one verse in Quran which speaks about only Adam pbuh, i.e. Quran 20:121 says that Adam pbuh disobeys almighty God.
I am asking you a question that Did Eve and Adam (peace be upon them) ask me to eat the forbidden food? No. So how can I be held responsible. Its illogical! If they ask me and i have given them permission then i will be responsible.

we don't believe that some snake came to eve,,,but satin came to her... we don't know in what form?
Muslims believe that Adam and Eve were created by God to live in this world for a period of time, but it was Gods plan to teach them ORIGINAL LESSON. We do not be
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We do not believe in original sin but in original lesson. God wanted to teach them that you are going into the world. When you go there, watch out for the devil, because he will trick you as he trick your first parent. But when he does trick you, you turn back to God in sincere repentance and God will forgive you as he forgave your first parents. What we have here the lesson of original forgiveness.

But in the Bible, the blame is put only on Eve pbuh. In Genesis 3:16, Almighty God says that pregnancy is punishment in the bible because Eve pbuh disobeys God. Quran says in 4:1 that respect the womb that bore you. Quran also says in 31:14 & 46:15 "We have enjoined on man kindness to his parents: In pain did his mother bear him, and in pain did she give him birth......."

Pregnancy uplifts the woman. it does not degrade her like the bible.
Ok i posted THIS question due to a question i had asked earlier to the muslims about their belief in the garden of eden. you can check it out at this link:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AiVg0PriucAByIXGKYbcTB_sy6IX;_ylv=3?qid =20071121215411AAErnou


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Old 11-23-2007, 02:35 AM
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Just between you and me it's all bulls h i t
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Old 11-23-2007, 02:37 AM
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you really do have to watch out for satin. it looks and feels so nice, but i can get you to do some very sinful things.
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Old 11-23-2007, 02:58 AM
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It's a little difficult to understand all you say. Like what does pbuh mean? But I think you are talking about the Christian doctrine of original sin. What you need to understand is that only one Christian sect, the Catholic Church, believes in this particular doctrine. The rest do not. Hope this answers your question.
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Old 11-23-2007, 03:01 AM
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well the mystery and origin of satin is now revealed
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Old 11-23-2007, 03:09 AM
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"The blame is put equally on both."

Bible teaches the same,that blame is on both,blame is on eve cuase she knew better but allowed herself to be lulled and decieved,she then goes and seduces adam who being a man,much more logical,definitely knew better,but let hiself fall for eve's seduction.So yes they are both to blame.

"ask me to eat the forbidden food? No."
???Best I can understand,then my response is Adam and Eve being the first humans,set the tone for what would be in future generations,the chose sin,thus we are cursed with sin throughout the rest of our generations.

"So how can I be held responsible."
You're not responsible for their specific sins,but you are affected by them;you ultimately are responsible for the sins that you commit.

"we don't believe that some snake came to eve,,,but satin came to her... we don't know in what form?"

Satan came through a snake,Bible is true Quran is not.

"but it was Gods plan to teach them ORIGINAL LESSON"

FALSE.God gave them free will to choose,and they chose evil.No if,and's, or but's about it;they chose sin.

"God wanted to teach them that you are going into the world."
False.Again He gave them freedom to choose,He wasnt teaching a llesson,He gave a commandment and they broke it,which is sin.

"lesson of original forgiveness."
Again,false.God gave a commandment,He expected obedience,instead He got disobedience;and Adam and Eve got booted out of the Garden,and now the were stained with sin and all genrations down the line are stained with sin.The only redemption is Jesus Christ.

"In Genesis 3:16, Almighty God says that pregnancy is punishment"

Not pregnancy,but pain during pregnancy is the punishment.

"Pregnancy uplifts the woman. it does not degrade her like the bible."

Bible doesnt degrade the women;Bible makes it clear that the women in lower in authority to the man and that she should humble and submit herself to her husband.Women can e preachers and ministers,but she is still lower in authority to the man.
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Old 11-23-2007, 03:17 AM
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You are living in the greater garden. Eden is symbolic first of Israel and then of the entire earth. Adam being male is the civil power and Eve being female is the spiritual or religious power.

It only takes a little Bible knowledge to see that Israel's fall was exactly like Adam and Eve's fall. The ultimate sin that led to Israel's removal from their garden was the crucifixion of Jesus.

It is interesting that the Jews were the religious power at the time and Rome was the civil power. It was the religious power that decided to sin and led the civil power to join them. Like Adam, Pilate washed his hands of Jesus death placing the blame on the Jews even though Rome was equally guilty.

It doesn't take much research to see that it is religious powers that are leading the governments of the earth toward the greatest time of disobedience that the earth has ever seen or will ever see again.
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Old 11-23-2007, 03:46 AM
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The Quran is a false book that twists the true word of GOD.
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