
10-26-2007, 10:04 AM
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Why would God put that fruit tree in Garden if Eden if He didn't want A&E to eat
from it? He could have left it out of the Garden. If He had done that, the world have been the way He wanted it to be, would it not? Would the reason for putting the tree in the Garden be that God wanted sin? Satan was already there! Couldn't God have destroyed satan, thereby eliminating the possibility of sin? Adam & Eve wouldn't have known satan was destroyed, neither would mankind. Neither would the angels in Heaven as they wouldn't question God's judgment.
God knew before He created the Earth what the world would be like and the people themselves. He knew Adam & Eve would do what they did. I believe He knew what satan would do before he got kicked out of Heaven. Why did He allow the earth & its people turn out the way they have if He knew ahead of time what was going to haqppen? Is this complicated?
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10-26-2007, 01:21 PM
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The evils are part of God's creation only to check how good you would be to overcome it or how bad you would go down for it!
So, the forbidden fruit was also made by the God to create the point of genesis of mankind!
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10-26-2007, 02:58 PM
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No. GOD put it their for a test of our loyalty! GOD told them not to eat. That should have been sufficient. However, they did eat. The problem was that sin could arise at any time! Whether Satan was there or not. Satan was NOT evil always, He used to be one of the highest angels in GOD's kingdom. Every angel loved him until pride crept into his heart.
Read Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 to get the picture.
GOD bless
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10-26-2007, 02:59 PM
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The fruit wasn' t eatable fruit.
Here's clue to what it was..
Genesis.3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
"conception"
Why would God punish Eve with conception if she ate an Apple.
The punishment doesn't fit the deed.
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10-26-2007, 02:59 PM
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God gives us free will he never forces anything upon us. With every temptation he makes a way 2 escape. As for Satan he is already defeated the victory has already been won by Jesus' work on the cross He has the keys to death, hell and the grave.
So long as we are in this world we are exposed to temptations, and need ever to be on our watch against them.
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10-26-2007, 02:59 PM
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he wanted adam and eve to realize they didn't obey him. he put it there so if they ate it they would realize they don't even listen to God when he tells them not to eat from a certain tree. God was testing them. we are all tested by God in our daily lives. we could just not have a good day at work or school, and if we turn to God and ask him to help us through these times instead of blaming him for them...well...then we pass and are stronger in faith than before.
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10-26-2007, 02:59 PM
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Because, God wanted to give us the freedom to 'choose' to love, honor, serve, and obey Him. By not having the choice, we would be just mindless, heartless, &spiritless puppets or robots or something. There is no joy in that! Certainly no ability to demonstrate love. Which is God's greatest attribute! Which would you rather have? A robotic dog or a live adorable, puppy who has the potential to respond to your attention with it's own expression of personal affection?. It's all about choice. When you love, you honor, with trust and have respect for the 'guidelines' establised by the 'Subject' of that love. Yes, satan was already there, but he was originally sent there to establish God's plan for us. his jealousy of us, overuled his willingness to follow God's objective. he was then reduced to the slithering serpent, known as satan the accuser. The angels in Heaven honor God's wisdom in all things. Only the ones that were decieved by lucifer questioned God's design and purposes for His creation.
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10-26-2007, 02:59 PM
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Even though I know most people in this forum are here just stir up a lot of hate and contention and probably won't consider ideas that are unknown to them but would rather tenaciously cling to man made and corrupt tradition I will go ahead and give you my answer:
Do you not remember God to have commanded Adam and Eve to multiply and replenish the Earth( Genesis 1:28 ), does this not mean to have children?
If they were as innocent as children then how would they know how to have children?
Little children don't know how to do that.
Thus were they in a state of disobedience by not multiplying...
Yet they had the choice before them and God allowed the serpent to tempt them or in other words to remind them, unknown to the tempter, they had a choice to make.
I believe this is what they call a "catch 22" situation: obey and don't eat the fruit and disobey by not multiplying or disobey and eat the fruit and thus be able to multiply and have children.
If they had never partaken of the fruit of knowledge of good and evil then we would never have been born on this Earth at all and we would not be here now having this conversation.
I consider it a beautiful and wonderful thing to have been born because of Adam and Eve's transgression, I consider them to be heroes because they did get up the courage to make the choice to further our Father in Heaven's plan of salvation by partaking of the fruit and thus becoming wise and being able to discern between good and evil just as each of us are and allowing us to be born.
It isn't that God wanted sin, he wanted us to be able to choose.
You cannot destroy something that is eternal which would be everything in existence including our existence as intelligent beings in or out of a body. That would include Satan. He was, as we read in the book of Revelations, cast out along with a third of the hosts of heaven (revelation 12)
The idea that the world remaining in a paradisaical state even if we could be born in that state of existence is a Satanic concept as it was his plan to force all of God's children back into heaven with no choices to make between good and evil, no way to grow and become like God is and do what he does. There would have been no way to know bitter from sweet in all things.
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10-26-2007, 08:54 PM
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Its free will. Its a bitch. And yes, it was a fruit of somesort. Eve wasnt punished with conception as someone else suggested. She was punished by the pain of the birth.
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